Wednesday, 5 September 2007

Corporal punishment is necessary?

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Corporal punishment is necessary?

v Can we develop our children without corporal punishment to become a good man

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5 comments:

Professional Practical Accounting Training said...

Here is some story about American:
Just a food for thought.......

Mama And Papa Were Always Right
[From Sam Levenson's Everything But Money]

Throughout all these years, Mama and Papa did everything that psychologists today condemn. They didn't justify their actions to us, nor did they say, "This hurts me more than it hurts you." If you pressed them for a reason, they quoted some authority known as "Because !"

They humiliated us ("A boy your age should know better"). They belittled us ("Look who's talking."). They reminded us of their sacrifices on our behalf ("And this is my reward !"). They raised their voices at us ("Now do you hear me ?"). And they didn't hesitate to revive previous offences (And how about the time you spilled ink on the tablecloth ?").

I didn't know then that mothers were supposed to use psychology on children. I knew they used whatever was immediately available, like shaving strops, wooden ladles or the ever-ready palm of the hand.

I didn't know that fathers weren't supposed to hit kids if they were bad. The kid whose father didn't hit him felt that his father wasn't interested in him. Besides, as any honest kid will tell you under oath, there are days when kids can be quite impossible --- like Monday through Sunday, for instance.

There were comparisons made with anonymous kids who belonged to that perfect species known as "Other people's children." Other people's children were clean, helpful, respectful and intelligent, and their parents weren't ashamed to take them places. We suffered comparisons, too, with dumb animals. "Even a dog stands up when company comes into the room." "Even a cat washes his face before dinner."

Papa frequently used the "When I was your age" technique. He was quite a prodigy, to judge by his alleged childhood achievements. "When are you going to start acting like a man ?" was his eternal rebuke --- even to my sister.

Obviously, my folks knew nothing about child psychology as we understand it today. But they knew plenty about the workings of a child's mind. If there was a mob of noisy kids in the house, Mama would announce, "Whoever goes home first gets a cookie." If I hit my brother Harold, "Is this the first time you hit Harold ?" Either way I answered the question I'd have to admit my guilt.

When you wanted something Papa couldn't afford, he refused not on grounds of poverty but because it wasn't good for you. For roller skates : "You might run into
a truck and get killed." For going to a movie : "The sunshine is better for you." For a new suit : "To me you're beautiful just as you are."

It is not as difficult as it seems to explain the common use of corporal punishment in those days. Anything animate or inanimate that did not respond to reason was hit with the palm of the hand : gas burners, radio, bureau drawers, windows or children.

It was possible to be spanked unjustly. Life is that way. If you protested that "I didn't do nothing," Papa still did not apologize. "Okay, that's for what you did that I didn't know about." If one of us committed an offence, we all got hit, on the theory that we were all accessories --- if not by direct participation, they by a conspiracy of silence.

We did not end up hating our parents, because we understood the principle involved. It was the principle of parental responsibility, of preventive therapy, of virtue being its own reward and evil bringing punishment. A world as tough as ours required touch parents and tough teachers. They had to fight fire with fire.

The fight against individual corruption was part of the fight against a slum environment. "You are not on the street; you are in our home. This is not a cellar or a poolroom. Here we act like human beings, not like animals." I remember the speech well. Like royalty, Mama said "we." "We have been put to shame by what you did."

Did it make me feel guilty ? It sure did. Did I feel I had let the family down ? I sure did. Was it worth a quick sharp pain in the rear end to be reminded of my obligations ? It sure was. Better one stabbing moment of truth at home than a stabbing in the street.

Anonymous said...

In here, giving the corporal punishment to (even own) children is such a kind of committing a crime.
For my view point, as long as we explain our children the whole time what are good things to do and what are bad things to do with stories and some events or evidences in real life which they can see, we don’t need to give even single physical or corporal punishment.
In explanation, there are the rules to get prizes or punishments. We have to clearly declare making agreements when they were starting to learn everything.
If they broke the rules, they will get punishment. (e.g. minus from bonus points)
If they make good thing than normal, they will get prize. (e.g. some treatment or buying the one they want before)
Those are just example.
Sometimes, we need to give some kind of suspension of activity (it’s called time-out, keep in bed room 3-5 mins alone until telling us they are good now) when they make some naughty thing. (emergency punishment). Please make sure that they always think we love them so much and we always guide them to be good. They must know we are not angry on them with our others affairs. (e.g. busy with our office jobs).
We are only angry on them due to their naughty things. It’s important to clear it on their mind. Please show them openly. Please make realtionship with them friendly.

I think it’s simple. I believe that as long as we understand and love them correct way, they will follow us any harm and any confrontation between parents and children and we don’t need to use physical abuse to them. But we need much much physical contact with them. (especially, kiss them a lot, hug them a lot)
After that we will be good parents to them.

Htay Win Naing said...

Ever since our son’s birth, I notice twice that those monks who have visited us over the alms and breakfast preached this sermon of raising a child: Step 1- (a-lo-like-ya-me)try fulfilling whatever your child’s need from birth till age 4; Step 2- (yet-set-ya-me)don’t hesitate to punch and punish whenever your child becomes disobedient from age 4 till 16; Step 3- (yone-kyi-ya-me)keep confidence in your child from the age 16 onward. They said these are Buddha’s words (Paya-haw) but made no mention of the original jataka's or sutta’s name. Though I’m curious about their reference, I regard these are sound advices for parents. I also did not press on monks to quote their source out of respect and politeness. Ko Thein Lwin or anyone please tell me if you have any knowledge of Buddha’s teachings which might be relevant to the above.

To my understanding Buddhism apprehends corporal punishment as an act of devil. In Vessantara Jataka (Wei-than-tha-ra Zat-taw-gyi), it was the evil Jujaka (Zuzaka Ponnar) who beat and tortured the son and daughter of the king for they could not walk fast. To the unholy contrast, such punishment is well entrenched in our Burmese Buddhist society from day one. King Aniruddha (Anaw-rahta) of Pagan ordered royal police to accordingly punish Shwe-Phyin brothers for failing to contribute in pagoda building. Stories said the king’s word “punish” meant for “caning” but authorities had heavy-handed the matter to the boys’ death. Today we witness considerable part in literature and true stories that endure corporal punishment as part and parcel of Burmese life. I can thus comment that corporal punishment has it place in our society. Therefore if you exercise such action on your child he will more or less takes it positively. To be continued...

Htay Win Naing said...

Sorry for the delay.
In our culture, once there is punishment it is commonly understood as physical one. There are two possible scenarios on how a child would be given punishment. The first one is a kind of deterrent and punitive action with measured use of force. For example, a teacher would remind his students that he would give 3 cane strokes to anyone who failed to submit completed homework tomorrow and he really did so. Another one is a kind of physical reaction triggered by (parents’ or teachers’) sudden surge of anger upon seeing the child’s disobedient behavior. This action however is a partially self serving. I’ve ever witnessed an incident where a boy was tied to roadside lamp-pole and spanked by his elder brother for skipping school. One thing in common is that both scenarios are involved with certain level of violence. Experts often argue that those children would view violence as an effective solution.

Despite its violence nature, many parents and teachers in our country exercise corporal punishment as an efficacious tool to rear both obedient and stubborn children. We have read stories like “Min-don-min and Nga-chauk-pya” in our high school textbook to perceive that teachers give such punishment for the good sake of pupils. Teachers are worshipped and placed on par with the Three Gems and parents. The Annandaw-ananda Ngar-par was fabricated and perpetuated into our daily prayers (anyone please tell me if you know the origin of Anandaw-ananda Ngar-par). To their part, parents and teachers generally lived up in honor of their role. When I was Seventh standard, our English teacher spent his own money - not withstanding his small salary - to learn himself English from a professor so that he could articulate us more with the lessons(from the textbook). On the other hand he was notoriously the most famous for his spanking reputation in our school. I met him last time in 1992 when he visited my cousin-sister who came down at home with TB while she was preparing for Tenth standard exam (remember that teacher only taught at Seventh). Till those years our society was nonetheless prosperous with “social values”. Children, pupils and the society trusted their parents and teachers as righteous. By this way for centuries, corporal punishment has been not just a mere instrument for the corrective action but an essential thread in maintaining continuity and harmony of our society.

But things are changing around. Decades of extreme poverty has brought down our society to its knees. Our values have been compromised [by the way, Saya UTO recently says he wanted to write about diminishing values in our society]. Do punishers still command the same moral authority as three decades ago? Perhaps “yes” for parents, I think. But I can’t be sure for teachers. Yet there is another factor: our communities are no more isolated Shangri-las. We now have Internets and G’talks and satellite TVs and tourists. We tend to see our lives the same as how the Westerners see theirs. There could be more things to compare. This mean in future you need to give your child a good reason, a convincing reason if you want to cane him. Or else child would ponder pain and you risk his love.

So what it is now? Is corporal punishment necessary? I believe it will still serve some degree of positive “push” effect (where by I say giving “carrot” and examples par excellence would serve as “pull” effect). Maybe it is used as deterrence than the action. Because we are their parents and want to tell them that some hurting does not always hurt them indeed.

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